Posted at 06:05 on November 26th, 2002 | Quote | Edit | Delete | |
Admin Reborn Gumby Posts: 11097 | ...by the evil media. I won't even start about bad influence of television in general, about Pokemon crap, Teletubbies and so on. Just one example: In a recent episode of the new Masters of the Universe cartoon, the 'good' guys punished the evil boss (Skeletor) by forcing a belt on him which was impossible to remove and had the following function: whenever old Skelly wanted to do something 'evil' (even threatening was enough), electric shocks came from the belt rendering him immobile (lying on the ground in pain). This of course immediately reminded me of the fascist measures shown in A Clockwork Orange and many other movies and books. Just with the difference that it had always been in a negative context! Now we've already sunk so far that fascism isn't only propagated indirectly (let's face it, all these childrens series deal with 'survival of the fittest' and violent clashes between 'good and evil' ), but in a completely open way... ----- Now you see the violence inherent in the system! |
Posted at 07:51 on November 26th, 2002 | Quote | Edit | Delete | |
Member Retired Gumby Posts: 1007 | Yeah... Kids are being taught that ripping off others is okay. This is a direct ripoff from South Park: Bigger, Longer, Uncut. ----- NetDanzr<br /> -The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog- |
Posted at 08:30 on November 26th, 2002 | Quote | Edit | Delete | |
Member Prof Gumby Posts: 607 | Yes, although the idea is certainly not very original, the V-Chip from South Park also fits in the comparison with A Clockwork Orange; but in South Park, the emphasis is obviously also on the negative effects, and it's indeed alarming when children are being taught that it's cool and even funny to use such extreme 'therapy'... One can only hope kids still get a chance to make up their own minds, and not just accept everything that's being thrown in their face. Maybe they should go watch South Park instead of MotU, but that would probably just get them even more messed up... ----- "One Very Important Thought" |
Posted at 11:16 on November 26th, 2002 | Quote | Edit | Delete | |
Admin Reborn Gumby Posts: 11097 | I don't know how it is in your countries, but here in Germany, South Park is being broadcasted in the middle of the night (1 AM or something)! So at least under these circumstances, it is hardly comparable. ----- Now you see the violence inherent in the system! |
Posted at 11:23 on November 26th, 2002 | Quote | Edit | Delete | |
Member Retired Gumby Posts: 1007 | Here it's broadcast at 10PM, but with the coming DVD release, it will be widely available to everybody. Still, don't think it doesn't bother me. The problem is that most likely the writers of the He-Man episode didn't even realize what they were doing; this kind of things is becoming so "normal" that very few people give it a second thought. ----- NetDanzr<br /> -The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog- |
Posted at 11:35 on November 26th, 2002 | Quote | Edit | Delete | |
Admin Reborn Gumby Posts: 11097 | Yes, I'm sure you're right about the writers not giving it a second thought. Somehow this doesn't calm me down though, but does exactly the opposite! Has our 'culture' faded so much that such basic 'silent agreements' (for example not to promote questionable ideals for the pure sake of cheap thrill) aren't worth anything anymore? I somehow have the feeling I'd like it better if the writers would really try to get something radical across - at least then I'd know what's going on. As illogical as this might sound... ----- Now you see the violence inherent in the system! |
Posted at 18:50 on November 26th, 2002 | Quote | Edit | Delete | |
Member Prof Gumby Posts: 560 | I think the main cause is that in our modern culture, there appears to be a sort of disguised machiavellism present. We take it in with each perverbial breath we take... Just look at Bushs approach to Iraq: He couldn't get the support he wanted through the so-called threat of Terrorism by Saddam, he started bombing Iraq because one plane apparently flew through the No-Fly Zone... I'm willing to bet that within 3 weeks or so, American troops have landed in Iraq for yet another Gulf-War... Now we are apparently brainwashing our kids with these new shows wich show that it's okay to prevent the evil guy from doing anything evil no matter what the costs... These are indeed sad times... BTW: in Belgium, South Park originally aired at night too but now they broadcast it around 4 o'clock on saterday... ----- "In theory, if people bred as fast as ants, and with an equal indifference for it's surrounding species, earth would have 5 million human inhabitants at the turn of the century. But this, of course, is highly unthinkable" |
Posted at 05:41 on November 29th, 2002 | Quote | Edit | Delete | |
Member Bachelor Gumby Posts: 75 | But the bad influence has not been started with this 'reverse treatment' with skeletor but with the organization in 'good' and 'evil'. That cultivate and print e.g. a deformable conflict solution strategy in childs based on this dual organization. |
Posted at 13:12 on November 29th, 2002 | Quote | Edit | Delete | |
Member Retired Gumby Posts: 1007 | Not exactly. There has been a "good" and "bad" throughout the history of mankind. The fact that those values changed over time does not matter. What is really bothersome about this situation that the "the goal justifies the means" mentality has been associated with the "bad" in our culture for quite a while. It is disturbing to see it suddenly become "good"... ----- NetDanzr<br /> -The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog- |
Posted at 13:44 on November 29th, 2002 | Quote | Edit | Delete | |
Admin Reborn Gumby Posts: 11097 | Abe: You have a point there, as addressed in my initial post: Quote: let's face it, all these childrens series deal with 'survival of the fittest' and violent clashes between 'good and evil' As NetDanzr so correctly pointed out though, this is a new quality of negative influence, showing how the world is drifting more and more in a very worrying direction.... ----- Now you see the violence inherent in the system! |
Posted at 23:12 on November 30th, 2002 | Quote | Edit | Delete | |
Member Prof Gumby Posts: 421 | South Park only ripped off the chip that Spike has in Buffy, which causes pain when he harms a human. noone is original any more they just take existing ideas and chage them just enough to make them look new. ----- Not all That Glitters Is Gold, Not All Those Who Wander Are Lost. |
Posted at 10:41 on December 1st, 2002 | Quote | Edit | Delete | |
Admin Reborn Gumby Posts: 11097 | Another example from the first episode of the JLA animated series (really bad War of the Worlds rip-off by the way): a politician managed to get all weapons of mass destruction abolished. As it later turned out, he only did it to weaken earth's defenses for the alien invasion (he was an alien himself). So basically, this show said militarism is good and pacifism is evil (in fact, it's not only wrong, but also only a trick, i.e. not honest). U-hu.... ----- Now you see the violence inherent in the system! |
Posted at 03:58 on December 2nd, 2002 | Quote | Edit | Delete | |
Member Dr Gumby Posts: 202 | There was a big thing on TV last night here in New Zealand how violence in games and movies are twisting how kids see the world and what is right and wrong. One of the examples was indeed South Park. They interviwed this guy who was caught smashing up letter boxes and houses due to be renovated, and he said that at the time he got most of his ideas from movies and cartoon episodes. I agree with what they said, the movies that we see are twisting our reality to absolute BS, look at Jaws for instance, one year before Jaws was made, of the population randomly surveyed in America, they reconed that most could swim, 5 years after Jaws 3 had been made it had dropped to just over 50% of the entire population! ----- Atheism is a Non-Prophet Organisation |
Posted at 04:26 on December 2nd, 2002 | Quote | Edit | Delete | |
Member Prof Gumby Posts: 421 | What annoys me is the reports showing the 'homemade' Jackass tapes, now it makes one wonder if the makers of these reports have ever watched an episode of Jackass because if they had they would notice most of the pranks on the show are well thought out and quite humourous and none destroy others property. Whereas these homemade jobs are all idiots who think it's funny to break things. here's a good comic showcasing what Delos said http://www.reallifecomics.com/d/20021125.html ----- Not all That Glitters Is Gold, Not All Those Who Wander Are Lost. |
Posted at 05:01 on December 2nd, 2002 | Quote | Edit | Delete | |
Member Bachelor Gumby Posts: 75 | Quote: Abe: You have a point there, as addressed in my initial post Yes. I only wanted to notice that this 'evil' evolution has started with this dual organization and the "the goal justifies the means" mentality (thanks for this good term, NetDanzr) is only a logic consequence not the beginning. I missunderstood that you thought the same. Quote: Posted by NetDanzr at 15:12 on November, 29th 2002: Not exactly. There has been a "good" and "bad" throughout the history of mankind. The fact that those values changed over time does not matter. Sure ist has, but today it's not an imperator/dictator who indoctrinates pop "Jews are bad" so that pop indoctrinates his kid this values. Today we have many mediums for this kind of 'teaching' and it becomes harder to reflect, because it migrates to a world standard. Quote: Posted by NetDanzr at 15:12 on November, 29th 2002: What is really bothersome about this situation that the "the goal justifies the means" mentality has been associated with the "bad" in our culture for quite a while. It is disturbing to see it suddenly become "good"... That's the difficulty in this case. You can't value a system when you're 'trapped' inside this system. Sure, in our opinions, with our values, this all is disturbing... |
Posted at 12:14 on December 2nd, 2002 | Quote | Edit | Delete | |
Admin Reborn Gumby Posts: 11097 | I don't agree with you, Delos. It's way too easy only to blame media for everything - normal, intelligent people aren't influenced by TV. Oh, and the comic is a satire, sterge ----- Now you see the violence inherent in the system! |
Posted at 14:00 on December 2nd, 2002 | Quote | Edit | Delete | |
Member Bachelor Gumby Posts: 75 | Quote: Posted by Mr Creosote at 14:14 on December, 2nd 2002: I don't agree with you, Delos. It's way too easy only to blame media for everything - normal, intelligent people aren't influenced by TV. That's my opinion too, but when people are young they are easy to persuade. The heaps of consum is decisive. When a child looks tv the whole day it doesn't matter if he has an IQ of 150. Sure it is still intelligent but the way of thinking is formed one-dimensional and certain other problems (e.g. concentration camp goes zero...). An very easy way is to use this binary button, called 'power switch', very often. |
Posted at 14:07 on December 2nd, 2002 | Quote | Edit | Delete | |
Admin Reborn Gumby Posts: 11097 | Sure, television (as well as any other media) can have a bad influence on children, but it is not to blame - in these cases, it's the parents' fault, because they don't pay enough attention to their child. ----- Now you see the violence inherent in the system! |
Posted at 15:25 on December 2nd, 2002 | Quote | Edit | Delete | |
Member Bachelor Gumby Posts: 75 | Quote: That's my opinion too, ...and what I mean with: Quote: An very easy way is to use this binary button, called 'power switch', very often |
Posted at 15:31 on December 2nd, 2002 | Quote | Edit | Delete | |
Admin Reborn Gumby Posts: 11097 | I don't have a power switch for my 'TV' ----- Now you see the violence inherent in the system! |