Posted at 00:45 on February 21st, 2003 | Quote | Edit | Delete | |
Member Bachelor Gumby Posts: 75 | Quote: Posted by Mr Creosote at 16:16 on February, 20th 2003: Bah. SUSE sucks. Following the recommendation of this test (hey, this was actually worth it ), I'm now running Vector Linux which is based on Slackware, but without all the bloat of the currect mainstream distributions and with the perfect compromise between automation and accessability. The only fault I see in this 'bloated distribution', SuSE, is, that you have to spend a long time with choosing what you like to install and what not. But what else? I'm very satisfied, because it costs me not much time to procure and configure the needed software... it's all integrated. It seems so bloated, because you got a lot of variety. But I'll follow your tip and try Vector Linux. In the next weeks the pleasure will hopefully recur. At the moment my horizon is very limited, because when you spend the whole day with configuring windows-architectures and polish software (except our RedHat Proxy and two IBM AS/400), you are not very motivate to go on with computers at home. |
Posted at 03:58 on February 21st, 2003 | Quote | Edit | Delete | |
Member Prof Gumby Posts: 607 | Quote: Mr Creosote: TRSDOS was the operating system on the TRS-80 computer - that was in 1981/82. Okay, so the reason I'd never heard of them is probably that I wasn't even born yet... Anyway, now that Linux is the topic: I've been thinking about making my old Pentium 200 run Linux, just to educate myself a little as my current Linux experience is absolutely zero. I only need the computer to do some browsing, and other basic stuff like typing documents, printing, playing music, so I figured Linux should be able to handle that without too much complications, right? Now my question is: Which Linux should I choose? Do any of you know a Linux distribution that will run on my 'old' Pentium 1? I hear most require a Pentium MMX or better so if that's right, I'm screwed... Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Edit: Also, feel free to tell me if you think this isn't a smart move and I should stick with Windows 98SE. Edited by The Mole at 11:59 on February, 21st 2003 ----- "One Very Important Thought" |
Posted at 04:48 on February 21st, 2003 | Quote | Edit | Delete | |
Member Dr Gumby Posts: 202 | This is SO me, my G/F the other day said she is really happy that she got to know me, otherwise she would have looked me over, thought "computer nerd", and that would be that, never have got to know me personally. (Lucky me! ) ----- Atheism is a Non-Prophet Organisation |
Posted at 04:49 on February 21st, 2003 | Quote | Edit | Delete | |
Admin Reborn Gumby Posts: 11097 | Abe: Sure, SUSE at least lets you choose what to install (partly), but as a first time user, you simply cannot know what's useful and what's not! For example who outside of technical universities like mine would know what LaTeX plugins or Beowolf are? These oneliner descriptions simply don't do any good. Not considering the fact KDE is bloated by default already. Mole: Vector Linux I'm running it on a P2/300 and it only takes up a tiny part of the CPU time in X-mode. According to their homepage, it is made to run on anything from a 386, Pentium 200 is mentioned as the 'border' from the older and the newer configuring tool they provide. Mind you you should still know how to use the keyboard (you can never know with people today...), sometimes you need to type in something, for example for the configuration of the desktop's background colour/picture and some other things. Alternatively, there are lots of distributions which fit on a single floppy disk, but I doubt you'd want any of those Also stay away from the common desktop environments KDE and Gnome which are provided with every mainstream distribution because they will eat up all your RAM and CPU time and leave you nothing to work with. X11 with a less demanding Window Manager (Vector comes with IceWM, which I recommend, and another one which looks like CDE, but you of course use all others from here, too). Oh, and I recommend you keep your Windows 98 installation - it's always good to have a 'backup solution' in case you hate it or it won't work Almost all Linux distributions come either with LILO or GRUB (bootmanagers) which let you choose which OS to boot on startup. Just give Linux another partition to live on. ----- Now you see the violence inherent in the system! |
Posted at 05:40 on February 21st, 2003 | Quote | Edit | Delete | |
Member Bachelor Gumby Posts: 75 | Quote: Posted by Mr Creosote at 12:49 on February, 21st 2003: Sure, SUSE at least lets you choose what to install (partly), but as a first time user, you simply cannot know what's useful and what's not! For example who outside of technical universities like mine would know what LaTeX plugins or Beowolf are? These oneliner descriptions simply don't do any good. Not considering the fact KDE is bloated by default already. OK, It's the point of view that makes the difference in our opinions. My assessment is based on my requirements. I know what I have/want to install but I'm not willing to download and configure all that manually. And with my 'fast' CPU (1600XP) KDE3 ist satisfyingly fast too. You look through the eyes of a 'holistic user'. |
Posted at 06:10 on February 21st, 2003 | Quote | Edit | Delete | |
Admin Reborn Gumby Posts: 11097 | Of course, if someone's happy with RedHat, Mandrake, SUSE, Debian or whatever he/she uses, I let them. What really pisses me off is the people who judge 'Linux' based only on their quick try of one of these standard distributions! I've heard so many people say "Linux is bloat, it's so slow" by now I can't even count the occurences anymore. They completely disregard the fact they're not judging Linux, but in most cases just KDE and huge ( = several CDs big) distributions. I guess it's too hard to understand you have the choice between different things when you're used to Windows-standardization... ----- Now you see the violence inherent in the system! |
Posted at 08:25 on February 21st, 2003 | Quote | Edit | Delete | |
Member Retired Gumby Posts: 936 | Quote: it is made to run on anything from a 386, Okay, so if I have a computer with a 100MB HD space TOPS, will it be able to run this? ----- Keep your stick on the ice |
Posted at 08:33 on February 21st, 2003 | Quote | Edit | Delete | |
Admin Reborn Gumby Posts: 11097 | I haven't tried it, but yes. The full installation of Vector is slightly over 400 MB, but if you don't install all the window managers and all the applications, it will fit. Don't have any experience there of course... ----- Now you see the violence inherent in the system! |
Posted at 12:14 on February 21st, 2003 | Quote | Edit | Delete | |
Member Dr Gumby Posts: 268 | Quote: Posted by Mr Creosote at 02:28 on February, 21st 2003: I wasn't complaining, I was saying "Thank God I didn't get Windows ME" I like my result You get the best of all available result and still you complain? Sheesh, youth of today By the way, you need a sunglasses smilie. Edited by Da_Goat at 20:15 on February, 21st 2003 ----- Mock ugly people. Praise ugly goats. |
Posted at 12:36 on February 21st, 2003 | Quote | Edit | Delete | Delete Attachment | |
Admin Reborn Gumby Posts: 11097 | Quote: By the way, you need a sunglasses smilie. Make one. Just take the blank one (attached) and add the features you want/need.----- Now you see the violence inherent in the system! |
Posted at 01:24 on February 22nd, 2003 | Quote | Edit | Delete | |
Member Prof Gumby Posts: 488 | ----- I am on a hot streak... Litterally. |
Posted at 16:41 on February 22nd, 2003 | Quote | Edit | Delete | |
Member Dr Gumby Posts: 268 | Quote: Posted by Mr Creosote at 20:36 on February, 21st 2003: But how do I add it to the forum list thing for me? Or do I have to go host it somewhere?Quote: By the way, you need a sunglasses smilie. Make one. Just take the blank one (attached) and add the features you want/need.----- Mock ugly people. Praise ugly goats. |
Posted at 17:38 on February 22nd, 2003 | Quote | Edit | Delete | |
Admin Reborn Gumby Posts: 11097 | Quote: But how do I add it to the forum list thing for me? Or do I have to go host it somewhere? You send it to me or post it as an attachment in the forum and it'll magically appear in the smilies listing.----- Now you see the violence inherent in the system! |
Posted at 18:46 on February 22nd, 2003 | Quote | Edit | Delete | |
Member Retired Gumby Posts: 936 | Quote: and it'll magically appear That's why I love this board. ----- Keep your stick on the ice |
Posted at 06:43 on February 23rd, 2003 | Quote | Edit | Delete | |
Member Retired Gumby Posts: 964 | Quote: Posted by Eagle: bright and cheerful ... strong and stable To tell the truth, I don't understand how these adjectives can be applied to Windows XP. I agree with the second (spyware) part, though. |
Posted at 07:08 on February 23rd, 2003 | Quote | Edit | Delete | |
Member Retired Gumby Posts: 964 | Quote: I've heard so many people say "Linux is bloat, it's so slow" by now I can't even count the occurences anymore. They completely disregard the fact they're not judging Linux, but in most cases just KDE and huge ( = several CDs big) distributions. I completely agree the "mainstream" of Linux distributions seem to get more bloated the newer they are - I don't like that development either. However, you have to consider that no one is forced by any means to keep using one of the bloated distributions. That's what I like about Linux: Even if the major distributions get huger (worse) all the time, there will always be minimalist versions you can switch to. So if the bloated ones manage to attract more users because they are more similar to Windows (KDE...), they may continue bloating in my opinion. |
Posted at 07:19 on February 23rd, 2003 | Quote | Edit | Delete | |
Admin Reborn Gumby Posts: 11097 | Quote: no one is forced by any means to keep using one of the bloated distributions I know that and I have the patience to look into alternatives which aren't listed on top of Yahoo's search results for 'linux'. Most people aren't.Quote: So if the bloated ones manage to attract more users because they are more similar to Windows (KDE...), they may continue bloating in my opinion. There are two sides to it of course. I am convinced the bloat drives just as many people away again (the ones I talked about earlier) as it attracts.----- Now you see the violence inherent in the system! |
Posted at 07:49 on February 23rd, 2003 | Quote | Edit | Delete | Delete Attachment | |
Member Prof Gumby Posts: 560 | Here's my result... ----- "In theory, if people bred as fast as ants, and with an equal indifference for it's surrounding species, earth would have 5 million human inhabitants at the turn of the century. But this, of course, is highly unthinkable" |
Posted at 03:40 on February 24th, 2003 | Quote | Edit | Delete | |
Member Dr Gumby Posts: 202 | I personally think Linux is too bloated myself, I say that only because the versions that are available on CD's are from companys like Mandrake and Red Hat. Anyone see that Mandrake has gone bankrupt? I noticed it in the Kinetik forum and told all my mates, most of them were like "Bullshit! Show me!", I too was shocked at this recent development. ----- Atheism is a Non-Prophet Organisation |
Posted at 03:47 on February 24th, 2003 | Quote | Edit | Delete | |
Admin Reborn Gumby Posts: 11097 | Quote: I personally think Linux is too bloated myself, I say that only because the versions that are available on CD's are from companys like Mandrake and Red Hat. Wrong. You can order many other (smaller) distributions on CD. Vector, Peanut, Ark, to name just a few. In fact, you can get most distributions which are bigger than a few floppy disks on CD. Not that I see the point of buying CD versions of Linux when you can download them for free (or, if you have a slow connection, have a friend download them for you or download them from university or something)...----- Now you see the violence inherent in the system! |