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Posted at 08:21 on April 29th, 2003 | Quote | Edit | Delete
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I'm currently preparing a review of Panzer General, and was wondering about a few details of the game.

First of all, I found out that it was banned in germany for a while (no big surprise there). However, the reasons for the banning seem to be different depending on which site you check. MobyGames mentions some problem with the manual, which has been fixed in the re-release by Novitas GmbH, which was allowed in Germany. Somebody on a message board claims that the reason for banning was that it was possible to win WW2 with the Germans in the original PG. This site confirms it. Does anybody remember why the game has been banned in Germany?

My second question is a little more personal. I'm replaying PG once again, and I remembered a problem I've always had. Can anybody tell me whether there's a way to achieve major victory in Norway and how? I never managed to do it.
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Posted at 08:37 on April 29th, 2003 | Quote | Edit | Delete
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I think it was temporarily banned (i.e. it only could be sold to persons who are at least 18 years old) because you can play nazi troops. As far as I know, the winning was not important but the fact that it "belittles" World War II. I never read the version that it was banned because of the manual though. I'm pretty sure it was for "ideological" reasons indeed.

As for Norway, you can achieve a major victor if I remember correctly, although it is pretty hard. You have to solely concentrate on the cities you have to conquer, don't waste any troops to attack the cities you don't need. You also can drop parachute soldiers (sorry, don't know the right word) near the northern citis right at the beginning, while your main troops are still busy in the south. That can save you some turns.
Posted at 09:07 on April 29th, 2003 | Quote | Edit | Delete
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Well, what I did was to ship my soldiers to the nearest northern city (before encountering the enemy naval forces), took the city and started cranking out units as much as I could to push north along the coast. I could not parachute in any units, as the enemy has several airports and fighters at the beginning, shooting my paratrooper units down. With this strategy, I was able to achieve minor victory, but that darn fleet first massacred my naval units and then pounded my ground units, which is why i could not advance as fast as I'd want to.
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Posted at 09:17 on April 29th, 2003 | Quote | Edit | Delete
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I just found a page that shows parts of the original text that justifies the bannning of PG:

http://www.bpb.de/snp/referate/bpjs_pgindex.htm

The main arguments are:
- It belittles and glorifies war.
- It belittles the nazi ideology.
- It violates article 26 of the German constitution because it affirms an offensive war.

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Posted at 09:40 on April 29th, 2003 | Quote | Edit | Delete
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Many thanks! That's actually a good site for research on other games as well :). (Can't understand why it didn't come up in my Google searches, though.)
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Posted at 10:34 on April 29th, 2003 | Quote | Edit | Delete
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I read an article in a computer magazine about PG being banned 'back then', and they said it was indeed the manual in which censors read the claim Nazi-Germany could as well have won the war and that you're the one asked to help that happen.

As for Norway, I managed to achieve a major victory there once or twice. It is indeed very hard. At that point of the campaign, I never have more than one or two planes, so paratroopers were out of question (in fact, I didn't even place my planes to avoid wasting them). The successful strategy was to place 'tougher' ground units (tanks) in the north and immediately drive them all to the northern targets. In the cities you capture immediately where you land, build more tanks. Try to have one unit next to each enemy city all the time, so that they can't buy new troops (and they also can't properly repair their existing ones) - even if it means losing a few of your units. The southern targets are fairly easy to conquer even with weaker troops. The only real problem is that the defenders have high entrenchment values there, but with a little patience, that's no problem. If you should succeed quickly in the south, it is no use moving the infantry further north - they'll only be shut down. Better use it to divert the enemy planes.
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Posted at 12:46 on April 29th, 2003 | Quote | Edit | Delete
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I'll check the manual whether I can find anything :)

As for the Norway campaign, that's what I've been doing. However, the enemy navy kept damaging me enough for their ground forces to defeat me without any big hassle. Any idea how to make those submarines at least partially useful?
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Posted at 12:49 on April 29th, 2003 | Quote | Edit | Delete
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Any idea how to make those submarines at least partially useful?
They don't serve for anything more than a slight distraction. The important thing is that you have to 'hide' them long enough for them to survive until the actual fight at the northernmost cities - because then you need the distraction, not earlier.
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Posted at 12:57 on April 29th, 2003 | Quote | Edit | Delete
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In the original text, the manual is even mentioned in a positive context as it apparently point outs the victims of World War II.

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Any idea how to make those submarines at least partially useful?


Either I use them to keep enemy ships busy for a while (as you know, they mostly "evade" when they are being attacked) or for a fast attack that doubtlessly ends with their destruction after some time. ;)
Posted at 12:59 on April 29th, 2003 | Quote | Edit | Delete
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I'll check out the manual again, too, when I'm back at my parents' home next time. It's from a pre-indexed German version ;)
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Posted at 13:06 on April 29th, 2003 | Quote | Edit | Delete
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Actually, a copy of the "new" manual must be on my Panzer General CD. But of course I don't find it. It's always the same shit: If you need it, you don't find it. ;)
Posted at 20:51 on July 13th, 2003 | Quote | Edit | Delete
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Posted by NetDanzr: Can anybody tell me whether there's a way to achieve major victory in Norway and how?


After having replayed Panzer General (campaign mode, medium difficulty), the definitive answer is: yes. ;)
Posted at 08:51 on July 14th, 2003 | Quote | Edit | Delete
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How? :o

Anyway, just last weekend I was struggling to install and play PG for Win95 on WinXP. Didn't work, even with various compatibility settings. Good thing I still have PG for DOS, but too bad it doesn't have speech.

For the record, Fantasy General, Allied General and Star General gave me the same problems. The only game that I got to run was Pacific General.
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Posted at 08:59 on July 14th, 2003 | Quote | Edit | Delete
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The only game that I got to run was Pacific General.
Which sucks badly!
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Posted at 19:39 on July 16th, 2003 | Quote | Edit | Delete
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How?


This time I placed more of my units in the north. You don't need many units in the south to conquer Oslo as your ships control the south coast. In the north you need tanks most of all, because "soft" units such as infantry and artillery will be damaged or destroyed by the allied ships. With those tanks (and probably few infantry) you can conquer the first northern city Trondheim. While I did that, I sent a paratrooper unit to the south-eastern airfield near Stavanger, where you will hardly find any defense. The other city in the north is hard to reach for ground units, so I sent paratroopers there, too. You can drop them some fields away to avoid getting attacked by the air defense. With some luck the paratroopers will be able to conquer the city before the allies purchase new units to defend it. Executing all those steps simultaneously will result in a major victory. ;)

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Which sucks badly!

I have Panzer General 3D, which sucks even more...

Edited by Tapuak at 03:40 on July, 16th 2003
Posted at 08:07 on July 17th, 2003 | Quote | Edit | Delete
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Okay, one question then. How do you deal with the enemy fighters? My paratroopers always get shot down.
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Posted at 08:22 on July 17th, 2003 | Quote | Edit | Delete
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You always have to put one fighter next to the paratrooper planes in order to escort them. They won't be attacked this way because the attacker would be destroyed by "interceptors" then.
Posted at 08:36 on July 17th, 2003 | Quote | Edit | Delete
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It just occured to me that this review you've been working on for the past few months must be pretty long by now ;)
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Posted at 08:55 on July 17th, 2003 | Quote | Edit | Delete
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No, he just got stuck in this damn Norway scenario. ;)
Posted at 10:05 on July 17th, 2003 | Quote | Edit | Delete
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Nope. I'm stuck at trying to get that damn thing work under WinXP. My DOS machine doesn't have a CD-ROM drive, and I still haven't found the copy of the game I downloaded. I'm getting there, though ;)
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