Posted at 14:35 on January 28th, 2004 | Quote | Edit | Delete | |
Member Retired Gumby Posts: 1007 | Quote: Yes, my question was slightly exaggerated. However, in the end, it's the same: choosing between humanity and financial profits. Well let me try a different extreme. You have the choice: to save one person's life or close down the employer of 20,000 workers. What would you choose? ----- NetDanzr<br /> -The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog- |
Posted at 16:34 on January 28th, 2004 | Quote | Edit | Delete | |
Admin Reborn Gumby Posts: 11098 | Save the life. I expect the same answer from everybody else. ----- Now you see the violence inherent in the system! |
Posted at 17:41 on January 28th, 2004 | Quote | Edit | Delete | |
Member Retired Gumby Posts: 936 | And flat tax? No way! Then the tax would be probably 20% or more across to make up for the lost money, then you got the people making 30K losing a few thousand a year more, and that can make a huge difference. Then you also have the people making 5 mill and adding 400K to their income. Big deal. ----- Keep your stick on the ice |
Posted at 18:41 on January 28th, 2004 | Quote | Edit | Delete | |
Member Retired Gumby Posts: 1007 | Mr Creosote: I'm wondering how many more would you kill with your decision. Tuss: YOu may want to find this story interesting... ----- NetDanzr<br /> -The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog- |
Posted at 21:27 on January 28th, 2004 | Quote | Edit | Delete | |
Member Master Gumby Posts: 111 | Economic Left/Right: -7.88 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.54 I didn't quite understand a couple of questions: "Multinational companies are unethically exploiting the plant genetic resources of developing countries." - wha? didn't fully understand. "Taxpayers should not be expected to prop up any theatres or museums that cannot survive on a commercial basis." - what's to "prop up"? "People are ultimately divided more by class than by nationality." - I don't think EITHER can align me to the left side. Is the question flawed? "Our civil liberties are being excessively curbed in the name of counter-terrorism." - What's "our" civil liberties? I'm from Turkey goddamnit, screw those "civil liberties" and "counter-terrorism" nonsense all the same "First-generation immigrants can never be fully integrated within their new country." - I bet agreeing this question makes me a rightist but I agree and accept the facts based one pure analysis. My uncle is in US for decades and he's not "american" at least not "Fully" as the question emphasizes. Agreeing on this one doesn't necessarily humiliate the immigrant in question. Flawed. "When you are troubled, it's better not to think about it, but to keep busy with more cheerful things." - No idea why this is asked. I screwed on sex questions and played the dumb rightist: A same sex couple in a stable, loving relationship, should not be excluded from the possibility of child adoption. - I don't think a stable is a proper place for kids |
Posted at 02:09 on January 29th, 2004 | Quote | Edit | Delete | |
Admin Reborn Gumby Posts: 11098 | NetDanzr: None. It's an urban legend anyone has to die directly or indirectly from unemployment, even in a region with a crap social system such as the USA. I've even heard the 'argument' from one of your fellow right-wingers once that the laid off people might commit suicide. Let's face it - those are all just excuses to mask the actual interest behind it, and that is making money you don't need. As for the 'story', it's a nice read, however, I could likewise write up a story about an evil rich guy who refuses to help poor unemployed people from starving in spite of not needing the money for himself. Still wouldn't be an argument, but only another one-dimensional view Burseg: "Multinational companies are unethically exploiting the plant genetic resources of developing countries." That's basically "The 'western' coutries are using the rest of the world as a huge plantation to ensure their own high living standards." "Taxpayers should not be expected to prop up any theatres or museums that cannot survive on a commercial basis." "Culture should not be kept alive artificially (by public funding), it has to be profitable." "People are ultimately divided more by class than by nationality." That a reference to the classic (communist) left which thinks along the lines of 'classes'. It doesn't account for people (like me) who don't agree with either distinction. "First-generation immigrants can never be fully integrated within their new country." That's about the same level as the one Tapuak mentioned: "A significant advantage of a one-party state is that it avoids all the arguments that delay progress in a democratic political system." You can only seldomly convince people that acknoledging facts doesn't trigger any automatism concerning one's opinion... There are counter-examples, though. Take NetDanzr - he's a first-generation immigrant to the USA, but fully assimilated "When you are troubled, it's better not to think about it, but to keep busy with more cheerful things." I wondered about that one, too. After some time, I came to the conclusion that answering 'agree' will class you as right-winged, because it's common prejudice amongst right-winged people that poorer people are just whiny. Quote: I don't think a stable is a proper place for kids If I were a christian, I'd probably disagree Edited by Mr Creosote at 11:04 on January, 29th 2004 ----- Now you see the violence inherent in the system! |
Posted at 06:10 on January 29th, 2004 | Quote | Edit | Delete | |
Member Master Gumby Posts: 111 | I thought stables was a plural word so tried to make something smart out of it. I realized my ultimate mistake at 7:00AM but decided to sleep on. Thanks for explaining these questions, they now make sense Quote: "When you are troubled, it's better not to think about it, but to keep busy with more cheerful things." I wondered about that one, too. After some time, I came to the conclusion that answering 'agree' will class you as right-winged, because it's common prejudice amongst right-winged people that poorer people are just whiny. I suppose that's the case, better not to take these tests too seriously |
Posted at 07:23 on January 29th, 2004 | Quote | Edit | Delete | |
Member Retired Gumby Posts: 1007 | Mr Breosote: I'm not talking about suicide or anything like that. However, you have a situation where workers bribe the factory management with a month worth of wages to get a job, in areas where the unemployment is already high. Not only they'd have to get by in some other way, but high unemployment also increases the crime level and decreases the standard of living in the area. Thus, indirectly, closing a factory and laying off all its workers would kill people. ----- NetDanzr<br /> -The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog- |
Posted at 08:05 on January 29th, 2004 | Quote | Edit | Delete | |
Member Retired Gumby Posts: 964 | Quote: Not only they'd have to get by in some other way, but high unemployment also increases the crime level and decreases the standard of living in the area. Wrong, because a developed state has a social system that prevents inhuman living conditions for unemployed people. |
Posted at 07:38 on January 30th, 2004 | Quote | Edit | Delete | |
Member Retired Gumby Posts: 1007 | This may work in North America and many countries in Europer, but other countries simply don't have the money for a social safety net. Are you willing to send half of your income to Burma to improve the conditions there to a point where 40% of the population can live out of poverty? ----- NetDanzr<br /> -The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog- |